All I have to say about this is that this was a blessing in disguise for me. I’ve never heard of the fediverse until this Reddit fiasco happened. I’m having a lot better time here being part of something new and it feels good to start fresh.
Same. I’ve been diving into Linux and open source and self hosting lately anyway, and at the same time you’re telling me open source social media is a real thing and gaining in popularity? Count me in.
Same here, but I miss some niche subs.
Stick around and help this grow.
If you build it, they will come.
Like Pokemon just got to catch them all. 🙂
When you think about the situation, it’s really just Reddit cracking down on unions… Of unpaid workers… Who are defending customers’ interests… Which in turn support them… And all of this while pretending that they crack down on unions for the benefit of customers. That’s a really shitty move Reddit is pulling out right there.
yeah, but we are not the customer. we are the product.
Yeah, thats the funny part, those mods were unpaid. They have no rights to do anything just to obey reddit.
Steve Huffman is pissing all over Aaron Schwartz’s grave, and completely abandoning the ideals that was once a foundation of Reddit. Reddit was originally open source, Aaron died in 2013, and by 2017, Reddit had abandoned the open source / community philosophy entirely.
Never forget Aaron Schwartz.
As a computer nerd I never knew about a lot of what this wiki article described, and I’m something of a news junkie to boot. It was a great read.
From the wiki article…
Swartz wrote in his Guerilla Open Access Manifesto:[47]
The world’s entire scientific … heritage … is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a handful of private corporations…
And interesting quote, in light of the current situation going on at Reddit right now.
I have to believe Aaron would be leading the charge to Lemmy if he were still alive today.
Intellectual property law is such a farce. It’s wild that he was on the hook for THAT hefty of a prison sentence just because he downloaded academic articles which should on principle automatically be in the public domain.
Absolutely, the way he was treated was criminal IMO. It’s horrendous that such practically illegal law enforcement isn’t held accountable. They twisted everything against him, and ignored all his rights completely. Secret service behaved like mobsters, and their accusations were complete bogus.
I’m so happy I live in a country where the law and enforcement is much more sensible. IP law is still important, but they won’t destroy you for breaking it.
I remember when Ellen Pao was the nightmare and spez wasn’t yet perceived as the fuck he actually is. Different times, I guess the devil you know is better sometimes. Otherwise you get spez, fuck spez.
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What she did was OK IMO. Banning revenge porn is absolutely necessary. Probably a legal requirement in almost all countries. The rage against Pau seemed to be from extremists who wanted reddit to allow discrimination, bigotry, racism, and everything in that vein.
The resulting uncensored Voat fork of reddit, was a completely useless cesspool.
I’ve seen a Lemmy server (feddit.dk) require posts and comments to be legal (probably for the country of the server). Which in my opinion is obvious. It should be a minimum conduct requirement for a social network anyway.
This is the main reason I haven’t been back to reddit since this shit began. All of this goes against the original ethos of Reddit that made me join and is a disrespect to all of the people who made reddit what it is. It disrespects the users, the volunteer moderators, the app developers, and the old employees. Most especially, though, it disrespects Aaron and, if I’m not mistaken, Alexis.
Alexis is no stranger to disruptive unpopular decisions either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Ohanian#Victoria_Taylor_firing
He did fight for open internet back in 2010, but it seems he is mostly a finance/corporate guy now, seems he is a bit of a mixed bag.
Thanks for pointing this out. I didn’t realize he was involved in Veronica’s firing.
He must also have been part of Reddit abandoning open source. I don’t think they could make such a fundamental move without him.
I needed a kick in the ass to get me here, and the second and third and … waves of reddit fuckery finally got me to join. It’s a shame. Reddit was once a good place on the internet. Now it is entirely enshitified.
Agreed. Seeing mod teams get nuked was what drove me away.
I went back today…i have some plant id subs left and a couple of things that are still good, but yeesh, i had a lot to do today and i ended up wondering what is going on there. At this point there are things that are not safe for life, dammit. Cool to have this place now, i have to say.
Yeah, they’re gonna keep ruining Reddit while we steadily migrate here. We’re just being a pain in the ass on our way out.
Someone told me i was going to get banned for saying i joined lemmy.world on reddit… and it’s like… Okay?? This site is shit now anyways, so you’re going to ban me for using a different website, that’s a great way to retain users during your mass-user revolt crisis.
Probably specifically because the admins (Spez) don’t want people hearing that competition exists
Back when there was exodus from digg people started posting links to stories on reddit to digg. I think the same should be done right now.
Make sure you’re willing to abruptly lose your Reddit account if you do. Reddit admins are being pretty cunthroat about this all.
Is there a value in an account you aren’t planning to use on a site you don’t like anymore? I think many people will wear “being banned for advocating to migrate” as a badge of honour.
That really wouldn’t bother me at this point
Spez must leave. Meanwhile, the ones leaving are the ones that create the content that gives them visits and money. Very good decisions, yes. What a shame, Aaron Swartz would be shocked and furious, no doubt!
The dead can’t say one way or another how they would have felt, and using them as a voiceless weapon is pretty shitty.
What Spez is doing is bad enough on it’s own. There’s no need at all to disrespect the dead like that just to shore up your righteousness.
As much as I should be happy to see power mods like iBleeedOrange and AwkwardTheTurtle get served a taste of their own medicine, it pisses me off that this is the hill that Spez chose to kill them on.
Unfortunately Spez will have to do so much worse to truly kill off the site.
This entire fiasco has been a blessing in disguise. Reddit’s CEO and admins showing their true colors woke up a lot of people. Their behavior is disgusting and unethical.
Reddit is going to do whatever the fuck it wants and will gladly fuck over the mods and users in the name of shareholder interests. These actions are chilling for anyone still considering building a community using Reddit.
I’ve joined here because I think Reddit’s quality is going to tank after June 30, but I downloaded Jerboa and it doesn’t seem to accept my credentials, regardless of instance. I’m confused.
You point your sign in on Jerboa to the instance you created the account on, in this case, lemmy.world. If you’re having issues with that, wait a bit and try again. If you still have trouble, try posting in the jerboa@lemmy.world community.
you created the account on, in this case, lemmy.world.
Oh hey! I didn’t know you could manually enter the instance - I thought you had to choose It let me log in! Thanks so much for the tip! :)
I did all of mine through jerboa. I don’t have much to offer but, dumb question, did you verify the account in the email? I had a weird sign in issue, not realizing verification was needed
Yes I did…
FYI, the web page itself is a progressive web app. This means you can go to the web page in a mobile browser and click “add to home screen” and a shortcut shows up that behaves like an application. I think Jeroba will eventually be better than the PWA, but it’s not there yet in my opinion.
No major issues with jerboa from me but I find the mobile website here better right now. These apps need love and are usually open source so they can use help!
Sync for Lemmy will be coming out in 3-6 weeks (dev confirmed). I know that doesn’t help you now (sorry), but soon!
The first local instance I signed up before I fully understood/realized what I was doing was focused on getting together a Chinese or Chinese American instance. Seemingly decent, but I just really didn’t want to be barging in on something that wasn’t for me. People seem to really be liking Jerboa, but I find it much simpler finding other instances in the web browser. I still have much to learn though.
Well that went just as I expected it to. The admins are still the admins. They’re the top of the power totem and that’s that.
Honestly this protest’s only purpose shouldve be to raise awareness of alternatives and tell people “were leaving Reddit, and this is where we’re going” while we still can. Because Reddit is private property, and therefore will always be subject to the whims of its admins - regardless of how people believe it should be run of if people think it should tolerate protesting against the platform on the platform.
Everyone should’ve been aware that this protest could only have been temporary.
Sure we reminded them of the power we possess, but they’ve essentially reminded us that they possess more, and can remove that power regardless of how the community feels. Admins are and have always been at the top.
No one had any illusions about how this was going to go. The point was making them do it. The point was forcing Reddit into a PR nightmare just before their big IPO. The point was giving this platform traction. The fact that this post exists on this platform is proof that the mods succeeded. Sure, Reddit is still huge… but with entire mod teams being replaced with Spez bootlickers it remains to be seen whether they can maintain what they have, or if this is Digg all over again.
It’s hard to predict what will happen, but I’m here, and you’re here, so something is happening.
I don’t think reddit will die, but they definitely hurt themselves. The fediverse grew by leaps and bounds over the past week, reddit drove so much traffic to their potential competitors. Then when the 3rd party apps die, they’ll lose some more.
Reddit is gambling on gaining enough revenue from pushing people on 3rd party apps to 1st party that it makes up for the loss of users overall.
People on reddit say “Why do we care about 3rd party apps, it’s such a small section of the userbase” But apparently reddit cares enough about that small section of the userbase that they need to push them to their own app.
Nobody said it makes sense.
We’ll see in a few days what the people end up choosing. I’m not going back unless demands are met, but I do have a tiny glimmer of hope that the people will let it go as apps disappear, and a slightly larger glimmer of hope that it’ll just kinda shrivel over the following months and years.
But, in all likelihood, people are dumb, and spineless and ignorant, and will continue to make spez money and the durability of the site will endure. It’ll be worse, but not worse enough for the vast majority of normal people to not use it. I have hope, but it’s simply hope in the face of my ever growing misanthropy.
Honestly just the fact that the protest gave awareness to viable reddit alternatives is good enough. And the blackout helped in that regard to force users to search for alternatives (like me). Obviously subs will be forced back open, but people have options now with whole communities here that literally did not exist weeks ago.
Reddit is picking a fight with the internet…
Which would win in a fight, 100 Reddit-sized Internets or one Internet-sized Reddit?
They’ll win in the end when the internet gets board like always. Still, it’ll be fun to watch burn, knock some value off the IPO.
remember Tumblr? Yeah, I don’t either
Like Digg “won”?
How the f do they win this?
Morally? Nah that train left.
Technically? I guess when it comes to user counts and influence there’s nothing really to gain and a lot to lose as well.
Monetarily? Nope. They lost trust, which loses users and stability as well as belief in the platform. They will decrease earnings from investors, selling user data and potential ads.
I don’t see a win here…
fuck u/spez
fuck u/spez and fuck reddit’s board of directors.
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Thank you spez for introducing me to Lemmy, I appreciate that.
For real. I never heard of Lemmy until this happened.
Same. Would have signed up years ago if I’d known about it. I miss the old usenet days!
Me either! Now I feel like I’m getting in on the ground floor of something big.
Wow, watching the Lemmy user activity skyrocket (signups sans bots, it’s still the starting wave of the mass exodus, exponential growth curve at its start) is just amazing.
How do we know when things are bots?
Several admins made it known that instances without captcha verification were getting bombarded with account verifications (lemmy.world got shut off from their email verification for a bit, even), and enabling captcha solved the issue. That only really happens with bots.
You can also see fairly dead instances getting 10s of thousands of users without any corresponding activity. That’s a pretty big sign there.
