• loxo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    976·
    7 months ago

    Appropriately? Not a single comment on that post gives any good reason why they’re butthurt.

      • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2611·
        7 months ago

        The first is not just wrong, but also dumb.

        It’s wrong because anything this website builder can make, an existing template system would be able to do with admittedly more work. No designer needed.

        It’s dumb because this is the argument used for literally anything that makes things easier for the layman. Would you rather we live without refrigerators so the milkman has a job? 🤦🏻‍♂️

        The second is an ongoing argument with any AI model. And while it brings up a good point, it’s really just the same argument but with “freelancer” and “developer” instead of “artist” or “author.” It doesn’t actually have anything to do with the tool.

        And the third is just… someone complaining in a non specific way that is both oddly condescending, while also ignoring the fact that companies (and people) can work on more than one thing. Shocking.

        If these weren’t opinions, I’d say they were wrong. I mean, they are wrong to be clear, but I won’t say it.

        • thesmokingman@programming.devEnglish
          92·
          7 months ago

          Adding onto the middle two bullets (training on freelance work and reducing freelance jobs), existing freelancers already steal everything that isn’t available as a template. That’s how templates get made and moved from platform to platform. The history of web dev is all about someone doing something cool on their website and then someone else copying it and so on. Squarespace templates are just ripoffs of Wordpress templates which are just ripoffs of agency Wordpress work or agency/solo websites. There’s no copyright to that design already.

          Also the market is fucking predatory for the layman. This is a net good in terms of democratizing the internet. Instead of forcing me to go to some Meta site where they control the dialogue, I can go to your site. Before small businesses couldn’t really afford the cost or maintenance for a site or just didn’t know where to start. A lot of freelance WP or Drupal or Magento stuff was so poorly secured that businesses got fucked by trusting the kid of the secretary who said they could do it for 10x than the firm quoted and the company couldn’t even figure out UpWork code exchanges. More importantly, there’s nothing stopping the freelancer from just doing this behind the scenes so you can’t really complain about lost jobs.

          Code generation is a net win for everyone. If these same people aren’t shitting on Copilot or even privately trained Tabnine they have no place in this discussion.

      • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
        174·
        7 months ago

        Those are stupid and I doubt any web developer wrote these. Unless they were also scared about WYSIWYG editors 25+ years ago.

      • Patch@feddit.ukEnglish
        111·
        7 months ago

        1. “The steam loom is going to put weavers out of work, industrialization is a double edged sword and needs to be carefully considered”.

        2. This is the same complaint made about literally every single AI programme. It’s not necessarily invalid, but if Mozilla doesn’t move into this space plenty of other competitors still will.

        3. Mozilla is allowed to do more than one thing.

          • Patch@feddit.ukEnglish
            31·
            7 months ago

            Why do you keep deleting your messages and re-replying with essentially the same thing?

            I’ll repost my reply to your last deleted message:

            As someone who has never had any particular compunction about sailing the digital seven seas, and generally has a liberal view of copyright laws and overly comprehensive intellectual property protections, I really don’t give a hoot about whether publicly accessible websites have been used as training data for a website creating system.

            If you don’t want people/machines to read your intellectual property, don’t post it on the internet.

              • squeakycat@lemmy.mlEnglish
                1·
                7 months ago

                Step back, take a breath, and focus your beliefs into more succinct and tactful displays. And lose the passive aggressive judgment rhetoric.

          • Patch@feddit.ukEnglish
            21·
            7 months ago

            As someone who has never had any particular compunction about sailing the digital seven seas, and generally has a liberal view of copyright laws and overly comprehensive intellectual property protections, I really don’t give a hoot about whether publicly accessible websites have been used as training data for a website creating system.

            If you don’t want people/machines to read your intellectual property, don’t post it on the internet.

      • Bizarroland@kbin.social
        5·
        7 months ago

        I would say one potential upside for this is that it would be somewhat shocking for mozilla’s AI website builder to not build websites that work with Firefox.

        Apparently a lot of developers are relying on Chrome only JavaScript packages and that is what is breaking several of the websites that I go to for Firefox.

  • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
    714·
    7 months ago

    What is the appropriate response to an AI website builder? If it works well, that sounds pretty nice.

      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4411·
        7 months ago

        I’m sorry but this is daft.

        Mozilla is dying. Asking their tiny and dwindling user base what they think Mozilla should invest in will not save them.

        I don’t know if getting into AI will, but just following whatever absolutely tiny minority of their already tiny 2% of the web browser market share that bothers to fill out a survey won’t help them.

          • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2513·
            7 months ago

            Putting random words in bold doesn’t mean you have a point.

            Yeah they receive money for having a default search engine. In the past it was Yahoo and now it’s Google. I don’t see what your point is? What does it have to do with this article?

            From the article:

            Our survey data shows…

            That probably sounded very clever in your head. You probably thought you “owned” me or something.

            But I never said surveys were bad.

            I said surveys of a tiny percentage of Firefox users, which in themselves are a tiny percentage of browser users, is useless. There’s nothing wrong with them commissioning wider surveys.

            Do you think following what, say, a 20,000th of overall web browser users say they want is a winning strategy? I.e. to just continue what they’re doing now, commit wholeheartedly to the death spiral?

            Mozilla needs to diversify. Because they’re dying. They’d already be dead if they followed what you seem to be suggesting (focus on the browser but also don’t accept money from Google!)

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                41·
                7 months ago

                More bold text. I assure you that this text is very bold. Bold text.

                CEO makes big pay cheque, quelle surprise. I’m shocked. Shocked I tell ya!

                It’s standard. Do I think CEOs should be paid millions? Nah. But I’m not going to single out one tech CEO making $7m when there’s others out there making $250m

                Again, Mozilla is a dying company. I’m not “presenting” it as anything. I’m staying a fact. I’m not making it up. If you think they’re a healthy company then I have a bridge to sell you.

                We get it, you want Firefox to have no funding and die. I don’t. I don’t want a full Google monopoly.

                Bold text.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                7 months ago

                Bold text.

                No shit. Everybody knows why Google funds Mozilla. This isn’t some revelation. It’s not relevant to the discussion of whether Mozilla should diversify or not.

                Mozilla is dying. I’m not saying it for no reason. Their market share is generally stated to be between 1.5 and 2.5%, and more and more websites are breaking for them because they don’t follow web standards.

                What Mozilla is doing now isn’t working. They need ways to generate income.

                Your “just don’t take money from Google and don’t diversify” suggestion isn’t a good one. They would collapse almost immediately if they followed that advice.

                Seriously, I don’t get how “just continue with just the browser but don’t take any money from others lol. I’m sure everyone will work on Firefox for free” is a valid stance. Web engines are too complex for small community development.

        • TherouxSonfeir@lemm.eeEnglish
          47·
          7 months ago

          Everyone I know uses Firefox what are you on about? And now that Google Chrome blocks AD BLOCKERS, their market is going to get much bigger.

  • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    671·
    7 months ago

    People shitting on it for free, as if Mozilla introduced the concept of generated websites (which don’t really need AI, btw), or as if the average run-of-the-mill Wordpress site was any better.

      • Mahlzeit@feddit.deEnglish
        88·
        7 months ago

        Can I ask why this is important to you? Did you donate and don’t like how your money is used?

        ETA: I asked, because I wondered if it has to do with AI-tech specifically, as many here obviously believe. OP kindly answered my question in DMs. They obviously do not wish the details to be public, but I believe I can say that the answer was very reasonable and not connected to AI-tech. (There’s nothing in the answer which is private or couldn’t be made public, but it’s up to them.)

  • GreyBeard@lemmy.oneEnglish
    463·
    7 months ago

    Most websites are cookie cutter garbage anyways. I see no problems with cutting out the middle men of people who know his to fill out a template and install WordPress plugins.

    Actually good and unique websites will still require design and programming work.

      • GreyBeard@lemmy.oneEnglish
        8·
        7 months ago

        Ha, I was typing on my phone, using OpenBoard, it really sucks at accidental b’s instead of spaces. And backspace likes to deleted spaces between words.

        • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          7 months ago

          and backspace likes to deleted spaces between words

          glad to see a fellow openboard user with the same problem

  • Clav64@lemmy.mlEnglish
    243·
    7 months ago

    Might pay to read up on the luddites.

    They protested against manufacturers who used machines in “a fraudulent and deceitful manner” to replace the skilled labour of workers and drive down wages by producing inferior goods.

    wikipedia

  • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.ukEnglish
    101·
    7 months ago

    I guess I feel bad for website template designers (e.g. Wordpress)? Their customers are the main target audience for these sorts of very imprecise, black box tools. Along with people using generic website builders from hosts.

    • thesmokingman@programming.devEnglish
      22·
      7 months ago

      Do you feel bad for the data centers that virtual clouds replaced (edit to clarify: instead of lots of little things and people hosting out of their closets, things solidified into major data centers to host VPCs)? Do you feel bad for the sysadmins virtual private servers replaced? Do you feel bad for the webmasters WordPress replaced?

      Note it’s totally possible to feel bad for all these folks and the template designers. My point is not whataboutism, it’s just that things that sell well as internet services have been changing constantly since the late nineties.