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you’d also have to say that if I don’t know what genocide means,
I wasn’t replying to you… I was replying to @galloog1@lemmy.world, so not sure why you took it as a response to you? Maybe a technical error? In any case I don’t agree.
You said:
oh, so you do acknowledge that Putin’s actions have also been called genocidal,
My conclusion is that you must have been sniffing glue because how else would you “read” this in my comments above…
Then you do some more analysis of what I mean and believe, but all of it is bullshit standing on the one-legged “conclusion” that you made.
Now to your links…
The first is titled something completely unrelated to start with: UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine finds continued systematic and widespread use of torture and indiscriminate attacks harming civilians. No one denies this.
It goes on to read:
“The Commission is also concerned about allegations of genocide in Ukraine. For instance, some of the rhetoric transmitted in Russian state and other media may constitute incitement to genocide. The Commission is continuing its investigations on such issues.”
Good, there we have it then.
Putin is bad, etc, but there doesn’t seem to be much that that commission has found except for rhetoric in Russia, but generally Putin’s actions are those of an invader, and if more inquiries are made about genocide in Ukraine, I would be an idiot to deny that.
The second link is an entire document dedicated to genocide against Palestinians. Something that has been ongoing for over 7 decades.
The title reads “Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people”
Not an inquiry. Not based on “rhetoric in the media”, but based on Israel’s continued aggression.
In any case, it seems that Russia is only brought to comparison here just to make Israel look like a “poor victim of double standards”. You know, not from your genuine interest in human lives or anything… just the genuine interest to make Israel’s actions acceptable.
So you admit that UN calls what’s happening in Palestine and in Ukraine a genocide. It seems that I’m right, and then comment is wrong and you’re arguing against the evidence.
My interest is in the correct classification of war crimes to ensure they are less likely to happen. I have met very few people in this community who understand what war crimes are and how they differ from general warfare. If all warfare constitutes war crimes, then war crimes have no meaning and you enable them to happen.
Largely, however every military conflict includes war crimes at some level on all sides if the factions are large enough. This is countered by a process of military justice in which is just as hard to overcome the burden of proof as criminal law is within the United States judicial system.
Anyone who makes universal claims for or against one side in a conflict and does not caveat with an understanding of how imperfect any justice system is would be a sign that they are simple propaganda.
You can make ethical distinctions between factions in the application of military justice internally, how complicit command decisions are in war crimes committed, and most importantly by not lumping politicians, military, and random citizens together in their actions and narratives. When I speak of actions and war crimes(especially in terms of genocide), I refer solely to the IDF. There are many unethical hotshot politicians out there. There is no separating President Putin from policies in Ukraine though so you can make a distinction there easily.
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Edit: before you read this, it’s worth noting the following:
I wasn’t replying to you… I was replying to @galloog1@lemmy.world, so not sure why you took it as a response to you? Maybe a technical error? In any case I don’t agree.
You said:
My conclusion is that you must have been sniffing glue because how else would you “read” this in my comments above… Then you do some more analysis of what I mean and believe, but all of it is bullshit standing on the one-legged “conclusion” that you made.
Now to your links…
The first is titled something completely unrelated to start with: UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine finds continued systematic and widespread use of torture and indiscriminate attacks harming civilians. No one denies this.
It goes on to read:
Good, there we have it then. Putin is bad, etc, but there doesn’t seem to be much that that commission has found except for rhetoric in Russia, but generally Putin’s actions are those of an invader, and if more inquiries are made about genocide in Ukraine, I would be an idiot to deny that.
The second link is an entire document dedicated to genocide against Palestinians. Something that has been ongoing for over 7 decades. The title reads “Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people”
Not an inquiry. Not based on “rhetoric in the media”, but based on Israel’s continued aggression.
In any case, it seems that Russia is only brought to comparison here just to make Israel look like a “poor victim of double standards”. You know, not from your genuine interest in human lives or anything… just the genuine interest to make Israel’s actions acceptable.
So you admit that UN calls what’s happening in Palestine and in Ukraine a genocide. It seems that I’m right, and then comment is wrong and you’re arguing against the evidence.
Yeah okay.
My interest is in the correct classification of war crimes to ensure they are less likely to happen. I have met very few people in this community who understand what war crimes are and how they differ from general warfare. If all warfare constitutes war crimes, then war crimes have no meaning and you enable them to happen.
So, do you mean that the casualties of Israeli aggression all fall under “general warfare”? Is this your argument? Just so I understand.
Largely, however every military conflict includes war crimes at some level on all sides if the factions are large enough. This is countered by a process of military justice in which is just as hard to overcome the burden of proof as criminal law is within the United States judicial system.
Anyone who makes universal claims for or against one side in a conflict and does not caveat with an understanding of how imperfect any justice system is would be a sign that they are simple propaganda.
You can make ethical distinctions between factions in the application of military justice internally, how complicit command decisions are in war crimes committed, and most importantly by not lumping politicians, military, and random citizens together in their actions and narratives. When I speak of actions and war crimes(especially in terms of genocide), I refer solely to the IDF. There are many unethical hotshot politicians out there. There is no separating President Putin from policies in Ukraine though so you can make a distinction there easily.
So yes, largely but not fully I guess. Thanks.