Part of that truth is also that there is positive news out there, more than people are necessarily aware of, but OPs very valid point is you rarely find that discussed on Lemmy. And when it is brought up people take great delight in torpedoing it. That’s not realistic, that’s defeatist doomerism.
Well said.
I mean, I don’t disagree but ultimately it’s going to be which ever option goes down the easiest with the general population: ‘eat less beef’ or ‘continue eating beef’. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for reducing the amount of meat we eat in general, and I’ve been doing that myself, but from my uneducated view-point lab grown meat appears to offer greater benefits, and fewer disbenefits compared to trying to persuade people to adopt the current alternatives. Not just from a environmental point of view but ethical as well.
And don’t forget: we can do both. We can research improvements to lab grown meat and other alternatives at the same time. These shouldn’t be binary choices.
That’s true as of now, but if we stopped subsidising farmers and spent that funding on lab grow technology then, much like solar, it would go from expensive niche to cheap mainstream a whole lot quicker. All decisions like this do is slow that process down.
OK, thanks. That’s sounds important, so I’ll look into it. I can understand you’re frustrated. I imagine it’s hard work getting people to understand, and it seems like something you’ve identified as important.
OK, so help me out. What should people imply from your words? I assure you I’m not trying to play ‘stupid games’ I’m genuinely just trying to have a conversation.
That’s good that you’re working on it. I’m sure that must be hard work, so good for you. In terms of reading people’s emotions digitally, I’m sure you can see how someone’s emotions could be inferred via the words they type online? And the words you’re typing seem very hostile for no obvious reason.
OK, but can you see how calling people ‘fucking morons’ and saying they will all die might be misconstrued as sounding angry? This is obviously a topic you care about, else you wouldn’t have commented at all. Do you think that adjusting your perceived tone might improve how you interact with people on a topic you care about?
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying. I’m genuinely curious as to why you’re getting so angry over this, that’s all.
Why’re you so angry over this?
A good step in the right direction.
Better than nothing at all though, eh?
The only guarantee of failure is not to try.
*Benadryl Cucumberpatch
Why’re you acting so angry about this?
Yeah, likewise. I got confused and excited when I saw this post. Just disappointed now, lol.
Yes, I can understand that, but surely you can understand that getting to the point of nations no longer using oil isn’t going to happen overnight? That change, that ‘global shift in culture’ you mention isn’t something we’ll wake up to tomorrow. They’ll be no single event we can point to and say ‘see? It’s fixed!’. Change will be formed from millions of events, large and small. The point im making is that this change is happening, slowly yes, but it is happening. These protests that you say are not working are part of the very same culture shift you state (correctly) is required.
Also, don’t forget that in the space of a few years renewables have gone from basically a pipe dream to being so affordable and upscaleable that oil companies are losing their shit. They know the writing is on the wall and they are doing everything they can to prevent that. You are literally watching their demise. Are they not going down without a fight? No. Are the world’s governments still too set in their ways? Yes. Is this change happening too slow? Also yes. But again, it is happening, and I’ll take slow change over none any day.
And you know what? Maybe, just maybe doing something will have no affect. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t at least try. The only guarantee of failure is to not even try in the first place.
You seem frustrated by the state of things, and I get that. Its all too easy to read all the negativity in the media and lose track of the wider picture. It’s awful watching the powers that be dally and drag their feet whilst the world burns and people die. But let’s try and not make our first reaction to positive action, like this story be defeatism.
Here are some good news stories from around the world. Maybe take some time to read them and remind yourself that good things are happening? It’s important to stay informed, not just about the bad news but about the good stuff as well:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230421-earth-day-the-science-of-climate-change-protest
https://www.dw.com/en/disruptive-climate-protests-do-they-help-or-hinder/a-61379793
Of course they work. Not as quickly and as well as we might hope, but they do work. You say that a global shift in culture is needed. I agree and these protests are an essential part of shift.
Also, support for wide ranging global change is more wide spread than you might think, and these protests are a example of that: https://www.undp.org/press-releases/worlds-largest-survey-public-opinion-climate-change-majority-people-call-wide-ranging-action
I understand that none of this is easy, but again what are you proposing we do instead? If you believe protests are not enough on their own then what, in your opinion, is the solution? Genuine question. You mention a global shift in culture is required. How? Let’s talk.
So, what’s your proposed solution? Because at the moment protests like this are working and simply throwing up our hands and saying ‘it’s impossible’ isn’t an option. So what to do? I’d argue we keep doing things like this until a better solution is found, what about you?
So? The trick is to keep developing the technology, not give up because it doesn’t immediately deliver unlimited energy.