I have done all of this. but thanks for posting this. Somehow venting about this kind of anonymously did more help than anything you just listed.

No, not even remotely. I actually feel worst than ever. But I also feel so paralyzed and hopeless.

Thanks for your response.

It’s what I meant. I understand that this negotiation cannot simply be fixed by a single check. Musk continually shows that he’s a lying imbecile but Tesla management knows that if their workforce has the power to decide the terms of their employment, it’s going to hurt their financial growth and that’s unfortunately unacceptable for these leeches. Also the reason people cannot take unpaid (key word) time off, go back to school or have children is because they cannot afford it. Health care and insurance is also expensive when taken from an individual perspective. So of course the employers don’t want to pay for that. So while I did simplify the issue, all of those advantages are actually means to mitigate the cost of living in this dysfunctional and unequal world.

I also want to say that I am 100% in support of the workers. People’s lives are important and there is no businesses without people.

Thanks for that link it’s very enlightening. But isn’t that just another way of legislating how work contracts are negotiated? In the end what is the issue that prevents the unions to reach a collective agreement with Tesla? I might not have been clear in my first post but that’s more specifically what I meant. There must be some disagreement in the remuneration of workers isn’t it?

Ok honestly the article doesn’t speak of the demands or offers. But anyway, what kind of agreement? That doesn’t really say anything otherwise. I did assume it was a monetary issue since it almost always boils down to more money even when you speak of benefits. More vacation, more sick days, more insurances, more hours, less hours, it all means money in the end.

Funny thing is it can be fixed with money. If only he gave it to the workers instead of lobbyists.

Yet you asked “what is this”. Lol, you’re tripping balls mate. Plus who are you to decide what’s good, bad, strong or weak. Especially with some bullshit like “it’s apart from the world” (it’s not, it’s definitely part of it you aren’t transcending dimensions here). Anyway get some sleep.

Give me an example of a better answer to whatever you wrote here. And I wasn’t trying to be insulting I’m sorry. It’s just very hard to understand what you are questionning beyond “society bad! Yes/No?”

What do you think then?

Or did you really only want someone to answer you “It’s hell” and confirm your bias? You really read like an angsty teenager who just had it’s first joint and 101 philosophy class.

Edit: Are you suggesting people shouldn’t have the right to debate with one another? Or that some should get it but not the others?

edit:edit: Why are YOU doing it?

Is there still some that use it because all the others did? Copycat style just to fit in and feel legit to unknowing listeners?

Ok thanks finally some insight on your thoughts. See how it gives better context than just saying “What is this” and gesticulating towards the internet. Your question was heavily influenced by prejudice.

Most of the talk does not refer to fantasy, that is a great example of some “unempirical evidence”. Some do, a lot don’t, you need to be able to filter that. Sure If you look for it, the worst will appear. But stop mindlessly reading what pops in front of you and make some active research and your worldview might change.

The rest is just you thinking out loud. Nobody takes everything so seriously all the time about every subject. Honestly I’m thinking you are falling for what you seem so concerned about. Look away from the endless stream sometimes. Search for your own source of news. Make your own change. The world certainly looks grim if we let rampant capitalism unleashed, but you are not proposing anything here. This here post is you disguising a rant into a question.

Sorry my man but you are not clear at all. I’m trying to understand what you do not understand about people talking with each other. There’s nothing more to it. It’s neither good nor bad nor strong or weak, it’s just a discussion. What happens afterwards with the information each gathered from the discussion is different but we need context. It’s what the discussion is ABOUT that is important not the discussion in itself.

So give us some context. Are you talking about journalism in media or are you also questioning whether we should discuss our hobbies with like minded individuals? Are you implying there’s something wrong with social media because it allow anyone to talk with anybody about anything?

WIthout answers to these your questions is pointless I’m afraid.

edit: Otherwise, if I try to answer your question as it was written: Yes it’s good, Yes it’s bad. More details are needed to judge beyond that.

A conversation, simply. There’s no requirements for having a discussion. That’s what we do, we speak to each other whether for good or bad.

And just in case because I’m still not completely sure if you are actually asking something or just making a social comment on online media; The literal antonym to what you seem to describe would be a “subjective” or “speculative” discussion. There’s other antonyms but I’ll let you search those out to see which fits your need.

What is your question though? Yes online forums exist, yes the information is often unempirical. But what is your question here? What is the “this” you are questionning yourself about? Are you asking why people debate each other? Why people are curious about subjects even though they are wrong? I just don’t get what you are trying to say here.

Can you elaborate? I can find articles that say there have been layoffs but what does that mean for the platform and how it supports the artists? Is it basically dead and not worth using anymore? I want the large majority of my money to go to the artist not the label or platform shareholders, is there something similar to bandcamp in that regard? Don’t suggest physical media please a lot of artist either don’t make any or are extremely difficult to find and buy.

How could joysticks replace keyboards apart from forcing you to use a virtual keyboard with a joystick? Is everything else about computing the same or is it some form of fantasy joystick centered computer? Anyway what’s more important is that joysticks already exist in computing and we know they serve a specific purpose and really suck for the rest cause we tried. We designed the computer after all so we control how we interact with them. Not like we found them in the wilds and they somehow only had a joystick.

That’s sandalous.

That’s not the point of the tomb.

Thanks chat gpt. But I’ll give you my advice as a 10 year mechanic.

Don’t. You’ll look like a tool and you’ll ruin a perfectly good truck. It’s certainly not a “good investment”.

Hit the nail right on the head. This is just a company trying to rebrand helicopters. And bad helicopters at that. They are banking on naive people who think this is actually a novel and viable technology. It will at the very best be another toy for the super wealthy to send the kids to Disney.