You assume that the system will have no self resistance. Every system does, except this one will be protecting society’s interests as a whole rather than a ruling class. Everything you said still applies today, and we handle it perfectly (and its not because society is oriented around capital).

Happy to help!! And great to meet you :)

How many reply chains does it take you to stop avoiding questions? 😁 if you can’t answer and think it’ll make you look bad, you already look pretty bad by avoiding it :)

You are asking why people aren’t changing a status quo. That’s different from changing a status quo to a much worse one.

I don’t think you understand that no member of society will take it kindly to see someone trying to destroy their society. It is terrorism and they will stop you no matter what. No one looks at a random hauling a grocery stores worth of apples and thinks that’s okay.

They want barter you for it. They’ll take it by force if necessary.

You don’t think that companies have dozens of credentials and requirements for a job? And hidden ones as well? This is very well documented. The first one is easily verified by looking at indeed.com. I take it you’ve never applied for a job before?

It would be pretty difficult to bring back capitalism after its gone. It’s like someone trying to bring back feudalism today, beyond individual interactions.

No, I’d spend my time doing more or less what I said in my original post. Humanity has long moved past the reliance on hunting-gathering 200,000 years ago during the agricultural revolution (hint: it was far before capitalism). Technology today allows us to produce all humanity’s needs with the fraction of the labor we do now, or the labor we did in the past. None of this would go away if society oriented itself around its own needs and wants instead of capital.

You can summarize my argument in two:

• no, these things are not attributed to capitalism. They were not a direct cause of capitalism. They occurred during capitalism (and some did before).
• complaining about people complaining about society is not even an argument worth responding to, let alone arguing it’s some recent phenomenon when you can easily verify it has happened for as long as we’ve had writing.

You surely have the Hollywood infested brain lmao

And on what grounds would you put me in rehab?

What about having terroristic aspirations? LOL. Trust me, no society will ever depend on you. You’ll always remain disposable

You really think an entire society revolved around bettering the human condition wouldn’t have guard rails against some random self destructive idiot going rogue?

In general though, no one has the motive to do that (except a self destructive idiot, who we’d just put in rehab and hope they get better).

Also you probably lack the means to take all the apples. The world already produces more than double the amount we consume. I guarantee you have no capacity to take them all.

I’m sorry, I know you thought that was really smart of you, but it’s not a good look.

If you’re too hot you can set the thermostat to cool down and if you’re too cold you can just turn the heat up.

I sure am thankful for HVAC technology, and the development of science and human technology in general that has been happening since way before capitalism.

You have ample choices for food

I love the agricultural revolution from hundreds of thousands of years ago! And tractors.

You only need to work a fraction of an hour for a meal, instead of all day long

Okay now, pre-industrial societies did not work an entire day for a single meal lmao. That’s something you’d see in capitalism or slavery. The vast majority of human history did not involve that much work.

You’re the most comfortable any human has ever been.

Thanks for technological advancements and not-capitalism!

. Surviving is so easy for you, you feel the need to complain that ITS NOT EASY ENOUGH.

What a boomer statement lmao. Isn’t it ironic that you complain about other people critiquing society, and lash out in caps lock? What if I told you that people have critiqued society since antiquity? I highly recommend you pick up a book. You’ll learn something or two!

Oh yeah, native American scalping was so bad. Surely worse than Europeans coming in and massacring 100 million native Americans, expelling them from their homes year after year, torturing them for existing, enslaving an African population, building a nation on their backs, then invading nearly the entire earth, causing mass suffering.

Oh yeah where were we? Scalping and inner-tribe fights. Man that was wild!

I love hearing this delusional thinking. “we actually shouldn’t complain about anything, we only complain because we have it better! So if things got even betterer, we would complain morer!! Get it?”

If you’re so into suffering, why do you want to involve everyone else in it? We want a better world. No one will force you to live happily.

I too would never do anything to serve my interests or the interests of my community!

Thank God for our capitalist overlords for keeping us in check. We thank them by making them even more mega rich.

So the question made you so angry, you started projecting your anger over people answering it? LOL

Are you denying it’s reality?

Barter being the predecessor of money is actually false, and has never been supported with sufficient evidence.

From what anthropology tells us, money was introduced by force, not by a natural tendency for humans to barter, and wanting a better way to do it.

And no, that isn’t “basically capitalism”. No “capital” involved here in the sense of capitalism.

Jobs existed the same way all the way back then as they do now.

Are you arguing that ancient societies had “jobs”, and in the same way that we do nowadays? I don’t intend to be rude (and sorry if I come off that way), but a simple Google search will tell you that’s false, but I’d be glad to cite you exact resources as well.

And that was the birth of capitalism

While the exact beginning of capitalism may be a subject of a little debate, no expert on the matter believes it goes that far back. Again, simple Google search reveals it, and I’ll be glad to cite you resources if you want.

Most didn’t own their land. It belonged to a king or emperor.

This wasn’t always true. There was a time that preceded class society. And not all class society is capitalism.

but to say capitalism didn’t exist back then isn’t accurate.

It is the scientific consensus that it did not.

I think we need to migrate to socialism via capitalism

Not sure what you mean here. Can you please elaborate?

whatever system you want them to transition to

It is simple. Instead of orienting society around profits and capital, we orient it around bettering the human condition. Instead of working our days to generate more profit for capitalists in exchange for money to buy necessities, we work to serve our interests and our own communities. So much wasted labor is suddenly removed.

Is it because they work less, or is it possibly because our technology, sanitary practices, medical expertise and ability to treat diseases based on thousands of years of trials far exceeds there?

I bet it’s because they worked less.