It’s a risk everywhere, but they are incentivized to act a certain way because of profit and advertising while other platforms can focus on fixing it without the potential conflict. We don’t need to pick between shareholder profits and what’s better for users

Fair point, and it’s something I’ll be keeping on my mind as well to think more about.

I’d also like to say I appreciate that you wrote out the long response and addressed the other points. I didn’t say that earlier but thank you

Interesting thank you

I also saw something about Pixelfed adding stuff to help (just a few hours ago?)

Money is going to be involved at some point, better make the rules now before meta does.

Totally agreed

It’s harder to change things up once there are well known rules for how things should work.

I’m mostly afraid of spam. I don’t mind if a company wants to advertise to their own user base, but I definitely don’t want to deal with spam from elsewhere. I hope the protocol addresses this in a way.

Yea same. I’m not sure how, but it’ll only get worse once bigger ones move in. Maybe user curated filters like with uBlock? It might be hard to pick out the useful from the spam if there was a system that could be gamed

Fair points, I’ll have to look more into some of it especially this bit

If they were defederated, they’d have to scrape every instance’s API to actually export everything. Not a real blocker but much more difficult, expensive and legally questionable. (See the recent popularity in imitative statistical algorithms aka. “”“AI”“” or “Copyright condoms” as I like to call them.)

I’m still torn on the other bit. Even if it’s a losing battle, it feels like we have a better chance if we keep the alternative available. Otherwise they can do pretty much all of the above anyways

For sure! I posted it here because we’ve been seeing a lot of posts about it here.

I’ll edit it in to the TLDR as well

Solid reason

I appreciate the care you put into the instance and I think it’s very reasonable to keep doing that :)

The notion that anyone should interact with Meta at all is enough. You lost me right after that part.

Maybe keep reading the rest because there IS nuance to this. I hate Facebook and think that sticking our heads in the sand will help them win. If those other platforms that died to EEE just blocked and ignored the incoming threat, they’d have died even faster.

P.s. You’re allowed to use cuss words on the internet. Tell your friends!

I didn’t write out ‘bullshit’ because I’m on mobile now and it was a fewer letters

This is another good point, and I’m not sure how best to fix that. It’s so hard to get people to swap platforms, and I suspect Meta will put money into getting key people on their platform.

The flagging thing might help? HCI and social networks are so nebulous that it’s hard to predict what might happen. I’m not totally confident on my stance either, just that there’s nuance here

We should 100% promote more stuff here, that doesn’t take away from the points above

I agree to an extent, but that won’t stay the case if other good people making high quality content choose the other platform because it’s not closed off.

I think that’s a legitimate risk to worry about

The ToS part sounds good, and I was looking into something like that a while back.

As for the rest, could you share which parts of the argument is unfounded, or why it’s “entirely BS”?

Not to be hostile, but this is the kind of comment I’m talking about above.

• I absolutely despise Meta too, I’m trying to figure out the best way to limit their effects on the Fediverse and keep growing the good thing we have. As much as I want to do the big symbolic action, it feels performative and ineffective at best.
• It’s not really former Reddit users they’re after but rather Twitter. Lemmy is still separated and it doesn’t matter for us either way (for now)

That was the idea, but the image generator just didn’t understand what I was asking for so I gave up

image was just for the thumbnail, hope it doesn’t distract from the message

Some quick diagrams

Source: https://www.evolvingsciences.com/Transpiration Stream.html

Source: https://opentextbc.ca/biology/chapter/5-1-overview-of-photosynthesis/

Second one is a little simpler, but the source link is to a site with open access educational materials. Pretty cool

Depends on the tree and type of water I assume

https://youtube.com/watch?v=twjPo2Luk5A

Mangrove trees live submerged in saltwater for example. This video also goes over some of the adaptations it has to do that (ex. Special roots to allow it to stand upright in soft unstable ground)

3 months

It’s not about us embracing them, it’s about them embracing the protocol, which they can do whether we stay federated or not.

The argument against defederation is that it tells newcomers that the defederated instance is an island and they’re better off joining the place where they can talk to their friends. Meta can more easily extend if we’re not around to explain why extending is a bad thing, and if we’re not around to advocate for people to ditch Meta’s platform and join an open one

Here is what it actually means

Embrace: Development of software substantially compatible with a competing product, or implementing a public standard.

Extend: Addition and promotion of features not supported by the competing product or part of the standard, creating interoperability problems for customers who try to use the "simple" standard.

Extinguish: When extensions become a de facto standard because of their dominant market share, they marginalize competitors that do not or cannot support the new extensions.

It is

I’m not sure if defederating is the correct counter to it

The standard should endure past this stage. It’s not necessary now, but it would be good to start getting used to some kind of a symbol now

Eventually when cars move past this stage, then we’ll need it