Not the person you responded to, but I’m in the US (which technically does have a border with Russia). At least in the state I grew up in, the education system definitely had anti-communist propaganda in the schools.
You don’t have to support Russia, but you shouldn’t deny facts. It’s well-known that the Azov Battalion has Nazis prevalent.
As I replied in somewhere else in this thread “There are right-wing cocksuckers in every army, in every nation. Weirdly enough fascists and nationalists love to join the army hmmmm”
But let me rephrase “neighbouring countries” as ex-ussr countries. They’re all lining up to join Russia again.
There are right-wing cocksuckers in every army, in every nation. Weirdly enough fascists and nationalists love to join the army hmmmm
Sure, but you’re conveniently ignoring the issue of prevalence. As an extreme example, do you think the US military and Nazi Germany had the same amount of Nazis?
They’re all lining up to join Russia again.
Even Ukraine? Wouldn’t you think they’d embrace Putin with open arms then instead of bothering to fight back then?
As an extreme example, do you think the US military and Nazi Germany had the same amount of Nazis?
I’m on your side for the rest of the post, but this example isn’t great imo. The US is absolutely a Nazi country, they were just more successful in their settler genocide. They literally have the largest prison pop in the whole world, full of impoverished people of color who are literally enslaved. Many in prison are sterilized against their will. They have for generations killed millions and millions of people abroad to stop communism and immiserate and expropriate those populations. Like I could go on, but Nazi Germany was inspired by the US. They even said the US went a little too far. The US won the war and is the most powerful country on the planet, so they wrote the history and they control the media narrative, so we can pretend like the Germans were worse
“Soviet Union bad”
So you’d rather those dirty subhuman asiatics stayed uncivilized and barbaric instead of becoming the second-strongest world power? Are we a little… afraid?
Nazis in Ukraine doesn’t justify the war, but it needs to be fucking addressed.
We are sending billions in weapons to Ukraine without the faintest idea where they end up, and which hands get to store them. Edit: We kind of do know, but close our eyes to that reality.
Last time we did this, it was Taliban/ISIS/Al-Queda. Shouts out to our Anti-Soviet freedom fighter Osama Bin Laden:
White ISIS might be just around the corner.
So what can we do? End the war.
Peace negotiations and humanitarian help for the people caught in the middle. Fuck Russia, but also fuck America and NATO. We(Western nations) provoked this war, and it has been brewing for at least a decade. We did absolutely nothing to prevent it. On the contrary: We supported fascists and nazis in Ukraine, and expanded militarybases across Russian borders.
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?
I mean the Azov Batallion is a nazi organization. This is commonly accepted knowledge and a result of Stepan Bandera (a nazi who wanted independence from the Soviet Union) being the primary driver of nationalist sentiment in Ukraine. The western media just want to pretend like the fact that they ‘only’ run the propaganda for the National Guard isn’t bad enough to make every soldier a nazi.
…And that’s a fair point but irrelevant to whether the Ukrainian military has fascist sympathies. Imperialist wars are always motivated by capitalist interests and fought with the blood of workers. The question is who’s material interests those workers are serving, wittingly or no. The Ukrainian ministry is giving a lot of power very specifically to the tiny militia of Azov Batallion which I think answers that question.
Finally, yes it’s also Russian propaganda but that says more about the west than Russia. If the Kremlin can invade a country and make itself look like it has the moral highground while doing it using commonly accepted facts you really fucked up. They might not be on the right side of history, but you are on the reallyreally far outer edge of the wrong side of it.
Agreed, but some countries have it worse than others. I’m sure there’s some nazoids lurking around in the shadows in China or Vietnam, but the issue in Ukraine is that they are in the government and have a pretty significant representation in the army.
They are at best christo-fascists who peddle both anti-communism and anti-hitlerism to peddle their disgusting political line. You want Polish fascists who tend to have nazi tendencies? Look no further than Korwin and their little new coalition “Nowa Nadzieja”.
Oh and I almost forgot, that our liberals tend to call PiS’s social programs (used to sway public opinion towards them, by abusing the people who need material help the most) “socialism”.
You wanna see the real world honey?
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Remember when Andrzej Duda came out after entire night of brainstorming after the missile killed 2 people in Poland and said “There is absolutely no reason to suspect it was deliberate attack on Poland”?
Literal Kremlin propagandist apparently, according to what i read in reddit immediately after the event.
I agree we should wage unlimited warfare on all fascists, and I support Ukrainian fascists killing Russian fascists, let them take care of each other. Your point?
All of the Balkans do that too. Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia have open nazis and fascists serving and commanding their militaries. Croats after the Ustaše, Bosniaks too. Serbs on the other hand glorify the Chetniks, rehabilitate mass murderers and anti-communist war criminals (rehabilitated Nikola Kalabic a few days ago as we speak). There is no city in Bosnia that has not got a street, school or sport club named after a Ustaša, or a Chetnik or a Bosniak radical muslim fascist. That doesn’t only happen in Ukraine. Greece, Bulgaria, Romania they all do it too.
Wait. You guys spread putins propaganda? Rly?
I think the first question you should ask yourself is why do you think Putin spreads propaganda, but the western media spreads the truth and facts?
You’re definitely not living in Russia or in one of the neighbouring countries, bet.
What does this have to do with anything?
Wrong
Not the person you responded to, but I’m in the US (which technically does have a border with Russia). At least in the state I grew up in, the education system definitely had anti-communist propaganda in the schools.
You don’t have to support Russia, but you shouldn’t deny facts. It’s well-known that the Azov Battalion has Nazis prevalent.
Not just azov, also aidar, tornado, the territorial defense units, the SBU, a shitload o UA soldiers run around with UPA patches, so them too…
I’m sure, but Azov is so well known they couldn’t deny it.
As I replied in somewhere else in this thread “There are right-wing cocksuckers in every army, in every nation. Weirdly enough fascists and nationalists love to join the army hmmmm”
But let me rephrase “neighbouring countries” as ex-ussr countries. They’re all lining up to join Russia again.
Sure, but you’re conveniently ignoring the issue of prevalence. As an extreme example, do you think the US military and Nazi Germany had the same amount of Nazis?
Even Ukraine? Wouldn’t you think they’d embrace Putin with open arms then instead of bothering to fight back then?
I’m on your side for the rest of the post, but this example isn’t great imo. The US is absolutely a Nazi country, they were just more successful in their settler genocide. They literally have the largest prison pop in the whole world, full of impoverished people of color who are literally enslaved. Many in prison are sterilized against their will. They have for generations killed millions and millions of people abroad to stop communism and immiserate and expropriate those populations. Like I could go on, but Nazi Germany was inspired by the US. They even said the US went a little too far. The US won the war and is the most powerful country on the planet, so they wrote the history and they control the media narrative, so we can pretend like the Germans were worse
I agree with everything you said. It wasn’t the best example.
The part about everyone lining up to join Russia was sarcastic. No ex-ussr country wants to go back to how things were.
“Soviet Union bad” So you’d rather those dirty subhuman asiatics stayed uncivilized and barbaric instead of becoming the second-strongest world power? Are we a little… afraid?
“dirty subhuman asiatics”, “uncivilized and barbaric” are you ok? holy shit
You know nothing, it must be difficult as a 15 year old Western kid to think you can speak for Eastern Europeans.
Best case scenario you’re Polish or Hungarian, and have guzzled stories from your fascist grandparents about the horrors of the Union.
Western media used to spread Putin propaganda before February 2022 too, look.
Listen Jack, there’s no propaganda, anyway Cornboy war a bad hombre shakes hand of absent person showers nazis in money
Nazis in Ukraine doesn’t justify the war, but it needs to be fucking addressed.
We are sending billions in weapons to Ukraine without the faintest idea where they end up, and which hands get to store them. Edit: We kind of do know, but close our eyes to that reality.
Last time we did this, it was Taliban/ISIS/Al-Queda. Shouts out to our Anti-Soviet freedom fighter Osama Bin Laden:
White ISIS might be just around the corner.
So what can we do? End the war.
Peace negotiations and humanitarian help for the people caught in the middle. Fuck Russia, but also fuck America and NATO. We(Western nations) provoked this war, and it has been brewing for at least a decade. We did absolutely nothing to prevent it. On the contrary: We supported fascists and nazis in Ukraine, and expanded militarybases across Russian borders.
Wait. You spread bidens propaganda? Rly?
No investigation, no right to speak
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?
It won’ t do!
It won’t do!
You must investigate!
You must not talk nonsense!
I mean the Azov Batallion is a nazi organization. This is commonly accepted knowledge and a result of Stepan Bandera (a nazi who wanted independence from the Soviet Union) being the primary driver of nationalist sentiment in Ukraine. The western media just want to pretend like the fact that they ‘only’ run the propaganda for the National Guard isn’t bad enough to make every soldier a nazi.
…And that’s a fair point but irrelevant to whether the Ukrainian military has fascist sympathies. Imperialist wars are always motivated by capitalist interests and fought with the blood of workers. The question is who’s material interests those workers are serving, wittingly or no. The Ukrainian ministry is giving a lot of power very specifically to the tiny militia of Azov Batallion which I think answers that question.
Finally, yes it’s also Russian propaganda but that says more about the west than Russia. If the Kremlin can invade a country and make itself look like it has the moral highground while doing it using commonly accepted facts you really fucked up. They might not be on the right side of history, but you are on the really really far outer edge of the wrong side of it.
Well yeah I need these rubles to pay for my faux fur ushankas
Ukraine has a serious Nazi problem. You’re going to have to grow up and learn to deal with the real world.
The world has a serious nazi problem. Russia has way bigger nazi problems. Poland is run by the PiS, nazis.
You wanna see the real world honey? Nazis are all over, and it just helps the facist putin to support his claim of nazis in Ukraine
Agreed, but some countries have it worse than others. I’m sure there’s some nazoids lurking around in the shadows in China or Vietnam, but the issue in Ukraine is that they are in the government and have a pretty significant representation in the army.
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It doesn’t.
Russia is pretty far from perfect and people who idolize Putin are lost, but in this regard they are leagues above Ukraine.
What are you talking about xD
They are at best christo-fascists who peddle both anti-communism and anti-hitlerism to peddle their disgusting political line. You want Polish fascists who tend to have nazi tendencies? Look no further than Korwin and their little new coalition “Nowa Nadzieja”.
Oh and I almost forgot, that our liberals tend to call PiS’s social programs (used to sway public opinion towards them, by abusing the people who need material help the most) “socialism”.
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Remember when Andrzej Duda came out after entire night of brainstorming after the missile killed 2 people in Poland and said “There is absolutely no reason to suspect it was deliberate attack on Poland”?
Literal Kremlin propagandist apparently, according to what i read in reddit immediately after the event.
I agree we should wage unlimited warfare on all fascists, and I support Ukrainian fascists killing Russian fascists, let them take care of each other. Your point?
Show me anywhere in the world that has open Nazi units serving in the military.
Show me anywhere in the world that openly celebrates Nazis as national holidays.
Show me anywhere in the world that renames streets, shopping malls, stadiums after Nazis.
Show me anywhere in the world that runs Nazi indoctrination camps for children.
I can show you all of these for Ukraine.
Over to you. Darling.
Latvia comes immediately to mind, which coincidentally is one of the most zealous supporters of Ukraine and USA.
Thanks, wasn’t aware.
All of the Balkans do that too. Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia have open nazis and fascists serving and commanding their militaries. Croats after the Ustaše, Bosniaks too. Serbs on the other hand glorify the Chetniks, rehabilitate mass murderers and anti-communist war criminals (rehabilitated Nikola Kalabic a few days ago as we speak). There is no city in Bosnia that has not got a street, school or sport club named after a Ustaša, or a Chetnik or a Bosniak radical muslim fascist. That doesn’t only happen in Ukraine. Greece, Bulgaria, Romania they all do it too.
I really wonder how that came to be, don’t click here it has nothing to do with it ;)