The fact that you would reference the inhumane slaughter of children during the Iraq war as a defense of the inhumane slaughter of innocent civilians in this exact context is absurdly oblivious to the reason those children were inhumanely slaughtered to begin with.
It wasn’t just a tragedy. It was an outrage. They shot kids cause they were Muslims. They shot them because they were black and brown. No part of it was a mistake. The soldiers and mercenaries deployed there by the United States military were racist. They were indoctrinated with racist ideology and literally told that the lives of literal children were expendable and, in fact, should be expended.
You unknowingly made the perfect comparison. The IDF is literally doing that exact thing. They’re spreading the same racism, the same Islamophobia, the same violent hatred. Which is exactly why they are just as condemnable and should face serious consequences for committing acts of mass violence against civilians - against literally children. This isn’t a mistake. It’s not an accident. You don’t bomb innocent men women and children for 2 months straight by accident.
It’s so insanely ahistorical, so utterly unaware of its own biases, so flagrantly dismissive of a the seriousness of the crimes being committed that I’m almost inclined to just call your post pointlessly inflammatory and intentionally cruel and walk away. But people are actually using the excuses you are in real life. With real lives involved. And so I think even if it were true that you’re just here to start a pointless argument, it is still worth it to respond to you. So that the people exposed to your propagandizing can see it for what it is.
Hi, Indoctrinated Racist Monster Iraqi vet here. I nearly got a court martial for firing a warning shot. Please tell me more about how we apparently went on hunting expeditions of local kids? I think the most harm I ever did to one was when I accidently hit him with an MRE he was literally begging for.
In fact I was around locals everyday. They would walk up and talk to us all the time. We would pay the kids two dollars to get us falafel and chicken pitas. (One to go and pay with, and one for them when they got back.)
In the invasion period in 2003 locals were allowed to pass through our lines. In fact we preferred that because we could ask them for information. The food and refugee stuff wasn’t conditional on them helping us but it turns out if you help a refugee they’ll happily tell you where the enemy is.
What Israel is doing is what we would have called a “free fire zone”. Which is not supposed to be used in urban areas with a lot of civilians. It’s for areas that have few, if any, civilians and are also supposed to be time limited. And even then you still want to not shoot at civilians because it’s a tactical mistake. Two infantry units fighting each other are quite often just waiting for the other one to give away their location. What Israel is doing is a war crime by American standards. They have quite obviously declared the entirety of Gaza a free fire zone with no ROE.
The blackwater guys, yeah. They literally had no accountability and it was setup that way on purpose. The actual military? It was rooting criminals out zealously. Please don’t conflate the two.
They shot suicide bombers who happened to be children who would have killed them. The criminals were the people (often Muslims) who groomed these kids and intentionally created the situation in the hopes of kneejerk unreasonable criticism like yours above.
You think because they were children, the soldiers should have allowed themselves to be killed? That makes sense considering your stance on what Hamas is doing.
It’s not racism and Islamophobia. Hamas operates this way and creates the situation with the intent to outrage non-thinkers and people with diminished capacity to reason.
I’m not devolving this into an endless cycle of you reiterating the same propaganda espoused by zionism. I have no interest in platforming you. But I will respond to this sentence in particular.
“You think because they were children, the soldiers should have allowed themselves to be killed?”
But they weren’t in any danger, were they? They saw a brown kid and shot them. Killing black and brown people is an American institution. America and its military are racist. They are Islamophobic. Muslims were literally portrayed as terrorists so pervasively in our media that Muslim people existing in public get murdered on a routine basis across the country. The American soldiers and hired mercenaries there literally went on killing sprees up and down the country mass murdering innocent families. They made impromptu mass concentration and torture camps. They laughed at what they did. They thoroughly enjoyed it. We made video games and movies and tv shows about it because the narrative was so pervasive that killing Muslims became a popular American pass time.
Again, you’re spot on comparing the mass murder of innocent civilians in the Iraq war to the ongoing slaughter of innocent civilians in Palestine. Just not at all in the way you think.
Yes. They were in danger. And it’s okay to defend your life. I have a friend who almost shot a child in this very situation when they were serving. To this day, he has PTSD and counciling for the trauma. NOBODY wants to shoot a kid or anyone else for that matter unless they’re seriously sick.
Fortunately, many failed and efforts to combat that recruitment helped.
Gaza is like if that effort had succeeded and geared up for years and years. Where 57% of the civilians support what you’re doing and are sympathetic.
It’s a good comparison. I just don’t agree that people, even Israelis, should have to lay down their lives because Al Quesa or Hamas radicalizes illegal combatants.
The rest of your accusations, I’ll leave unaddressed. They don’t warrant a response.
The fact that you would reference the inhumane slaughter of children during the Iraq war as a defense of the inhumane slaughter of innocent civilians in this exact context is absurdly oblivious to the reason those children were inhumanely slaughtered to begin with.
It wasn’t just a tragedy. It was an outrage. They shot kids cause they were Muslims. They shot them because they were black and brown. No part of it was a mistake. The soldiers and mercenaries deployed there by the United States military were racist. They were indoctrinated with racist ideology and literally told that the lives of literal children were expendable and, in fact, should be expended.
You unknowingly made the perfect comparison. The IDF is literally doing that exact thing. They’re spreading the same racism, the same Islamophobia, the same violent hatred. Which is exactly why they are just as condemnable and should face serious consequences for committing acts of mass violence against civilians - against literally children. This isn’t a mistake. It’s not an accident. You don’t bomb innocent men women and children for 2 months straight by accident.
It’s so insanely ahistorical, so utterly unaware of its own biases, so flagrantly dismissive of a the seriousness of the crimes being committed that I’m almost inclined to just call your post pointlessly inflammatory and intentionally cruel and walk away. But people are actually using the excuses you are in real life. With real lives involved. And so I think even if it were true that you’re just here to start a pointless argument, it is still worth it to respond to you. So that the people exposed to your propagandizing can see it for what it is.
Hi,
Indoctrinated Racist MonsterIraqi vet here. I nearly got a court martial for firing a warning shot. Please tell me more about how we apparently went on hunting expeditions of local kids? I think the most harm I ever did to one was when I accidently hit him with an MRE he was literally begging for.In fact I was around locals everyday. They would walk up and talk to us all the time. We would pay the kids two dollars to get us falafel and chicken pitas. (One to go and pay with, and one for them when they got back.)
In the invasion period in 2003 locals were allowed to pass through our lines. In fact we preferred that because we could ask them for information. The food and refugee stuff wasn’t conditional on them helping us but it turns out if you help a refugee they’ll happily tell you where the enemy is.
What Israel is doing is what we would have called a “free fire zone”. Which is not supposed to be used in urban areas with a lot of civilians. It’s for areas that have few, if any, civilians and are also supposed to be time limited. And even then you still want to not shoot at civilians because it’s a tactical mistake. Two infantry units fighting each other are quite often just waiting for the other one to give away their location. What Israel is doing is a war crime by American standards. They have quite obviously declared the entirety of Gaza a free fire zone with no ROE.
This was an interesting read. Thanks.
Thanks for the perspective! So the people saying the US did it, so Israel can do it too, are even more wrong than I thought!
Your one experience does not invalidate the many atrocities committed against innocent civilians. Both by US army and contracted mercenaries.
The blackwater guys, yeah. They literally had no accountability and it was setup that way on purpose. The actual military? It was rooting criminals out zealously. Please don’t conflate the two.
They shot suicide bombers who happened to be children who would have killed them. The criminals were the people (often Muslims) who groomed these kids and intentionally created the situation in the hopes of kneejerk unreasonable criticism like yours above.
You think because they were children, the soldiers should have allowed themselves to be killed? That makes sense considering your stance on what Hamas is doing.
It’s not racism and Islamophobia. Hamas operates this way and creates the situation with the intent to outrage non-thinkers and people with diminished capacity to reason.
You’re outraged, but at the wrong people, though.
I’m not devolving this into an endless cycle of you reiterating the same propaganda espoused by zionism. I have no interest in platforming you. But I will respond to this sentence in particular.
“You think because they were children, the soldiers should have allowed themselves to be killed?”
But they weren’t in any danger, were they? They saw a brown kid and shot them. Killing black and brown people is an American institution. America and its military are racist. They are Islamophobic. Muslims were literally portrayed as terrorists so pervasively in our media that Muslim people existing in public get murdered on a routine basis across the country. The American soldiers and hired mercenaries there literally went on killing sprees up and down the country mass murdering innocent families. They made impromptu mass concentration and torture camps. They laughed at what they did. They thoroughly enjoyed it. We made video games and movies and tv shows about it because the narrative was so pervasive that killing Muslims became a popular American pass time.
Again, you’re spot on comparing the mass murder of innocent civilians in the Iraq war to the ongoing slaughter of innocent civilians in Palestine. Just not at all in the way you think.
Yes. They were in danger. And it’s okay to defend your life. I have a friend who almost shot a child in this very situation when they were serving. To this day, he has PTSD and counciling for the trauma. NOBODY wants to shoot a kid or anyone else for that matter unless they’re seriously sick.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/04/iraq-alqaida-network-child-bombers
Fortunately, many failed and efforts to combat that recruitment helped.
Gaza is like if that effort had succeeded and geared up for years and years. Where 57% of the civilians support what you’re doing and are sympathetic.
It’s a good comparison. I just don’t agree that people, even Israelis, should have to lay down their lives because Al Quesa or Hamas radicalizes illegal combatants.
The rest of your accusations, I’ll leave unaddressed. They don’t warrant a response.
No one believes you, walk away and have a lie down