A Christian mother and daughter were shot dead by an Israeli soldier on the grounds of a Catholic church in Gaza City on Saturday, the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem said.

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    The ones in poverty are mostly ones who came later on in the 1990’s from former Soviet Union, and usually didn’t or couldn’t contact authorities or know about what they deserve because of the language barrier - As many of them only speak Russian.
    It’s incredibly unfortunate, and almost all Israeli Jews see supporting them and helping them as important.

    Imagine those poor government aid workers who want to help all the Holocaust survivors but just can’t figure out who they are because they don’t speak Russian! Must be awful for them!

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      I don’t understand this comment.
      When people come into the country, no one knows if they are holocaust survivors or not.
      They need to approach the government about them being holocaust survivors.
      And for that, they need to know in the first place that they deserve aid and can get it. Which is very hard when you don’t know the language in the country you’ve come to.
      Some of the aid organizations in the article help them exactly with that.

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          Mistreated by whom? People in Israel highly respect holocaust survivors.

          It’s true that for some of them it’s not enough, especially with the rising costs of living in Israel, that’s definitely an issue which is raised almost every election.

          But this is not an issue of “dropping rights”.
          This is part of, some corrupt / some just capitalist, policies under Bibi’s governments.
          Cutting down budgets for some government offices, while increasing them for some other made up offices for political reasons, cutting down on social services for everyone and directing funds to ultra-orthodox organizations as a part of political agreements, for example.

          This corruption is part of the reason there were mass protests in Israel since the current government was elected.
          And why more than half of Israel opposes Bibi and his “bloc”.

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            The video answers your first question. I would recommend watching it.

            Have you done that? It only interviews Israelis and you can hear it from the mouths of holocaust survivors themselves.

            I’m not talking about rising living costs. I’m talking about holocaust survivors picking leftover fruit from the ground after the grocery stalls close down.

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              I’m quite familiar with the subject, but I watched anyway.

              What one of the survivors talked about is terrible, but those kids are a minority and if I knew where this was I could guess which group they’re from.

              Rising living costs is part of the reason some of the survivors had to resort to these things, as the money wasn’t enough anymore.
              Not the case of those in the video, who weren’t getting money at all and seems like it was for the reasons I’ve written about above.

              I’m so familiar with this because I’m Israeli and my grandparents were holocaust survivors. Part of the reason I’ve volunteered in the past to help survivors like the ones in the video.

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                I’m so familiar with this because I’m Israeli and my grandparents were holocaust survivors. Part of the reason I’ve volunteered in the past to help survivors like the ones in the video.

                That’s lovely! Good on you… still baffles me that you are refusing to see the issue here.

                but those kids are a minority and if I knew where this was I could guess which group they’re from.

                At the beginning it says they saw 13 holocaust survivor go through rubbish fruit and vegetables to be able to eat. You can say “rising living costs” all you want. If Israel respected holocaust survivors, rising living cost should never play a role, especially given all the funding they get for just that.

                The issue seems to be widespread, not just a “couple few” here and there…

                I don’t meant to be disrespectful but your answer sounds like that of a politician trying to wiggle out of reality. The reality is that holocaust survivors are mistreated, maybe in an Israel that doesn’t care about them or anyone anymore.

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                  You’re ignoring about half of what I wrote in my replies.
                  Nowhere did I say there are just a “couple few”.

                  The previous government in 2022, which wasn’t headed by Bibi, managed in less than a year to considerably raise the amount of money these survivors get and make it easier for survivors to get it.
                  And there were more plans, but then the government fell.

                  The heart of the issue like many issues in Israel, stem from corrupt populist politicians.
                  Similar to what other western countries have been / are dealing with.

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                    Nowhere did I say there are just a “couple few”.

                    but those kids are a minority

                    I think you tried to downplay their numbers… another indication of this being a “politician’s answer”: make the issue look smaller than it is, make it look like a “normal”/“economic”/etc issue (that holocaust survivors beg on the street and eat bad food), blame the current person in power.

                    Edit: I want to say, excuse my skepticism when it comes to a country that abuses not only Palestinians but also Jewish people, like holocaust survivors or all that jazz in the Yemenite Children Affair. It’s enticing to think that Bibi is behind all this, but to me, it looks more like there is something systemically wrong about Israel and Israeli society in its current format.

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      I think the point is simply that there are language barriers that create problems. This is totally believable and is a coordinating issue in any country where there are immigrants who need social services but don’t speak the primary language. Not everything has to be down to all Israelis being bad people and not actually giving a fuck.

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        7 months ago

        Nobody said all Israelis are bad. I’m American so I know all about shitty countries having a lot of good people in them.