Nobody is blaming the US for starting this war. We are all literally saying that an escalation like committing troops would escalate quickly into nuclear war and we are criticizing the US for taking even baby steps in that direction.
Compare that with you trying to dive head first into a nuclear conflict we don’t belong in. Which weapons manufacturer or military branch do you work for?
You have stated multiple times in your comments that the US is trying to start a war. Several other people have called you out on this.
Nobody is buying your nuclear war propaganda. You’re just trying to give cover to Russian aggression in an attempt to allow them to capture control of Ukraine. What happens if they do capture Ukraine and then invade yet another country with all these new conscripts? Would you once again tell us to just sit around and watch because you’re ‘scared’ that we might upset Russia? How long do you keep that up? This parallels Germany in the early 20th century. Those wars didn’t end because people sat by and let them do what they want for fear of conflict.
You have stated multiple times in your comments that the US is trying to start a war. Several other people have called you out on this.
Literally where? I have only ever stated the fact that the US commiting troops on the ground would escalate the current conflict into WW3. I’m literally here arguing for peace and not to escalate to nuclear Armageddon. L
You on the other hand seem very much determined to see as much of the world burn as possible and it’s sick. Learn some history and become aware of what would actually happen if your wet dreams come true
I don’t know if you’re genuinely trolling or just being plain ignorant.
I’m literally comparing how weapons assistance starts small and escalates to large scale involvement based on higher level comments saying something along the lines of
Oh, it’s only 3k troops. Hardly an escalation
Context is king buddy. How does that whole quote go you glossed over of mine?
Ukrainians have just as much a right to die for their country as I do not having to die for it
Paraphrasing because you didn’t link to me saying that.
And the point still stands, I never said the us was trying to start a war
typical lemmy moment when you prefer to bash the US when Russian bots are on rampage?
I’m from Eastern Europe. I hate what Russia did to my country and my family in effect. Long history. I hate what they are doing to Ukraine. And this comment section feels weird, because for me more US soldiers in Europe mean more peace and stability.
I’m not disagreeing with you but assuming anyone online disagreeing with US policy is a “Russian bot” with absolutely no proof is a very typical reddit lib moment, which was my point. That can just be thrown around to shut down anything.
If you don’t like Russia and are pro-US, I don’t automatically assume you’re a US bot.
You have a completely different outlook then. I’m sorry, but we are not your protector. The US is on the other side of the world.
We are criticizing the US. Nobody is trying to say the US is worse than Russia here. We are meetelt pointing out the fact that escalating troops in Europe is a bad baby step towards all out war. If the us commits troops on the ground on the side of Ukraine, Russia will declare ware and nato article 5 will be invoked. All sides are nuclear poweres. First it might start with tactical nukes on your side of the world. Then it will escalate to ICBMs. It will end when there are no countries or borders and most of the world is dead and in ruin with Eastern Europe being ground zero. Idk why you would want to escalate the situation with US military involvement when it literally would make your part of the world a nuclear wasteland.
But hey, if not wanting to see the world get nuked makes me a Russian bot so be it. Better that than a pentagon warhawk trying to profit off this whole thing.
Funny thing is the US military actually is my protector. The US has strong business interests in the area, and it protects them. It’s not going one way only. I’m enjoying this, because the alternative is a power vacuum that will be filled by Russian mafia in a second once your people decide to do business and profit elsewhere. So yeah, different outlook.
And that right there is the problem. The us sees itself as some sort of imperial world police and it is not. Sorry, but we’ve got enough problems going on in or own country that we shouldn’t be subsidizing your defense and social programs.
Europe get the benefit of having American pretectors by not spending as much on defense and in turn getting to use that for internal development. I think it served it’s purpose in rebuilding Europe after WW2, but now that the EU is a power on par with the US I think it’s high time for a European military to defend itself instead of relying on the whims of an imperial power.
You should know that this lemmy community is hosted on lemmy.ml, an instance founded by tankies after they got banned from reddit and still moderated by them.
Typical reddit liberal moment calling someone who doesn’t agree with the US a “Russian bot”.
Nah it’s more like calling someone carrying water for Russia and blaming the US for a war that Russia started a year ago a Russian bot.
Nobody is blaming the US for starting this war. We are all literally saying that an escalation like committing troops would escalate quickly into nuclear war and we are criticizing the US for taking even baby steps in that direction.
Compare that with you trying to dive head first into a nuclear conflict we don’t belong in. Which weapons manufacturer or military branch do you work for?
You have stated multiple times in your comments that the US is trying to start a war. Several other people have called you out on this.
Nobody is buying your nuclear war propaganda. You’re just trying to give cover to Russian aggression in an attempt to allow them to capture control of Ukraine. What happens if they do capture Ukraine and then invade yet another country with all these new conscripts? Would you once again tell us to just sit around and watch because you’re ‘scared’ that we might upset Russia? How long do you keep that up? This parallels Germany in the early 20th century. Those wars didn’t end because people sat by and let them do what they want for fear of conflict.
Literally where? I have only ever stated the fact that the US commiting troops on the ground would escalate the current conflict into WW3. I’m literally here arguing for peace and not to escalate to nuclear Armageddon. L
You on the other hand seem very much determined to see as much of the world burn as possible and it’s sick. Learn some history and become aware of what would actually happen if your wet dreams come true
https://lemmy.piperservers.net/comment/338073
https://lemmy.piperservers.net/comment/338825
“Arguing for peace” as you state “Ukranians have the right to die like [you] have the right to safety”
Give me a break. We get it your guy Putin isn’t doing so great so you want to make it easier on him to murder innocent civilians in Ukraine.
I don’t know if you’re genuinely trolling or just being plain ignorant.
I’m literally comparing how weapons assistance starts small and escalates to large scale involvement based on higher level comments saying something along the lines of
Context is king buddy. How does that whole quote go you glossed over of mine?
Paraphrasing because you didn’t link to me saying that.
And the point still stands, I never said the us was trying to start a war
why do you think that the US in particular has the responsibility to directly get involved?
typical lemmy moment when you prefer to bash the US when Russian bots are on rampage?
I’m from Eastern Europe. I hate what Russia did to my country and my family in effect. Long history. I hate what they are doing to Ukraine. And this comment section feels weird, because for me more US soldiers in Europe mean more peace and stability.
I’m not disagreeing with you but assuming anyone online disagreeing with US policy is a “Russian bot” with absolutely no proof is a very typical reddit lib moment, which was my point. That can just be thrown around to shut down anything.
If you don’t like Russia and are pro-US, I don’t automatically assume you’re a US bot.
You have a completely different outlook then. I’m sorry, but we are not your protector. The US is on the other side of the world.
We are criticizing the US. Nobody is trying to say the US is worse than Russia here. We are meetelt pointing out the fact that escalating troops in Europe is a bad baby step towards all out war. If the us commits troops on the ground on the side of Ukraine, Russia will declare ware and nato article 5 will be invoked. All sides are nuclear poweres. First it might start with tactical nukes on your side of the world. Then it will escalate to ICBMs. It will end when there are no countries or borders and most of the world is dead and in ruin with Eastern Europe being ground zero. Idk why you would want to escalate the situation with US military involvement when it literally would make your part of the world a nuclear wasteland.
But hey, if not wanting to see the world get nuked makes me a Russian bot so be it. Better that than a pentagon warhawk trying to profit off this whole thing.
Funny thing is the US military actually is my protector. The US has strong business interests in the area, and it protects them. It’s not going one way only. I’m enjoying this, because the alternative is a power vacuum that will be filled by Russian mafia in a second once your people decide to do business and profit elsewhere. So yeah, different outlook.
And that right there is the problem. The us sees itself as some sort of imperial world police and it is not. Sorry, but we’ve got enough problems going on in or own country that we shouldn’t be subsidizing your defense and social programs.
Europe get the benefit of having American pretectors by not spending as much on defense and in turn getting to use that for internal development. I think it served it’s purpose in rebuilding Europe after WW2, but now that the EU is a power on par with the US I think it’s high time for a European military to defend itself instead of relying on the whims of an imperial power.
You should know that this lemmy community is hosted on lemmy.ml, an instance founded by tankies after they got banned from reddit and still moderated by them.